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Shawn_C

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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: Spectators in Body Armour |
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Spectators in Body Armour
the corner (Mark Steyn)
>>I may have to revise my old line about the British police being "the most monumentally useless in the developed world". For the G20 summit, the Toronto coppers ordered up a ton of new body armor, weaponry, gas masks, etc - and then stood around in their state-of-the-art riot gear watching as a bunch of middle-class "anarchists" trashed the city. Streetcars were left abandoned, and even police cruisers were seized, vandalized and burned. But hey, it's the taxpayers who pay for 'em, right? And I'm sure they'll have replacements ready when Constable Plod needs to drive over to Tim Hortons for his mid-morning Boston Creme.
As it happens, I wrote about the increasing indifference of the northern constabulary to the Queen's peace at the time of the Ann Coulter riot a few weeks ago:
As for Ottawa’s coppers, they certainly demonstrated that famously Canadian “restraint.” Faced with a law-abiding group engaging in legal activity and a bunch of thugs trying to prevent it, the police declined to maintain order. As George Jonas wrote, “Ottawa’s finest exemplified Canada’s definition of moral leadership by observing neutrality between lawful and lawless...”
There's a lot of that about. I referenced the bizarre incident in which the Finance Minister of Ontario was attacked during a public television taping:
As in Ottawa, law enforcement declined to enforce the law, the OPP remaining in the wings as thugs rushed the stage. “The police, I’m told, were urged not to intervene,” Paikin explained, “lest pictures of demonstrators being hauled off by the cops show up all over YouTube.”
True. You might haul off a Muslim or a lesbian and find yourself in “human rights” hell. Better just to linger nonchalantly by the side until it’s all over: O Canada, we stand around for thee. Her Majesty’s Constabulary seem to be sending the message that violence pays—at least for approved identity groups. That doesn’t seem a prudent strategy.
As we see. The Toronto PD are your go-to guys if you want a fetching police escort for the Queers Against Israeli Apartheid float in the Pride Parade, but they don't otherwise seem to perform any useful function. David Miller, the city's brain-dead mayor, can usually be relied upon for a fatuous soundbite. In this case, he offered:
Er, actually, it is. Try looking out the window. This wasn't quite as hilarious as his response to NPR's Renee Montagne after 18 Toronto Muslims were arrested for plotting to behead the Prime Minister and blow up Parliament:
"More than half of the people who live in Toronto, including myself, were not born in Canada. And I think that's why Canada works."
"Although it didn't work in this case," Ms. Montagne pointed out, somewhat maliciously.
And now it hasn't worked again. This comment seems more relevant than any of Hizzoner's:
Any city that stands aside to photograph itself burning - deserves to.
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82289

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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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Someone mentioned snipers on the roof tops...I think it was a waste to have them there and not a single dead anarchist...Truly sad.  |
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Whitey

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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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...and the poor sods who ended up in the detention center last night are now complaining that they couldn't poop in privacy and weren't fed well and had to wait for water to be delivered. I'm pretty sure the people detained were not the peaceful protestors and the police had reasonable cause to jail them.
What a monumental waste of time, money and resources this nonsense has been! Why in the name of God would anyone think that a controversial conference in downtown Toronto was a good idea? At least in Huntsville there are limited ways in and the area can be secured quite easily. I guess these security "experts" never learned how to prepare an Assessment of the Situatiuon...
I'm with you, Rich. If you're going to deploy them you should at least use them. Otherwise they become nothing more than observers and I'm sure we can find cheaper people to watch!
What they need to do is build a conference center away up north away from all civilization. That way you mitigate the potential for violent protests and if they do happen, you're in a much better position to find the culprits. |
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82289

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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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We are still trying to figure out why they left Huntsville. Its obvious to me that the remote area was perfect for both events. Toronto is such a shithole and everyone knew the Southern Ontario Anarchists were going to cause trouble. Looks to me they came through on their words. They should have just stayed in Huntsville and claimed it as a last minute choice.....
I'm all for moving this to places like Yellowknife.  |
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Whitey

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:42 am Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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The Black Bloc is actually based in Quebec (big surprise there!) and they arrested a whole pile of them at the UofT today. Wouldn't want to be an innocent person driving in Ontario with PQ plates this week!
Do these things in remote areas and do them in winter so the protestors freeze their asses off! |
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Sarg

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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| I remember when we had to do riot control duty half of us were on riot control and the other half were the rioters,it was pretty funny especially when we were told we would under the control of the city police. |
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Whitey

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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The venerable news rags in Toronto (The Star and the Sun) are jam packed full of recriminations about the entire fiasco. The Toronto Police Service screwed themselves by displaying weapons seized from "peaceful" protesters but chose to include a chainsaw and a crossbow that had nothing to with the riots. For their part, the arrested rioters are claiming they were abused because the holding area did not have private toilets and the food sucked. In the end, I beleive the idiots doing the burning and "crystalnacht" re-enactment were nothing more than criminals looking for a chance to wreck something.
One side says the other abused their powers and the other side claims the legitimate protesters conspired with the violent ones by letting them infiltrate their marches.
In the end game, the so-called world leaders attending the conference resolved nothing of substance making the whole ordeal a waste on all level and in every conceivable fashion. At then end of the day it will be the ever-suffering and innocent private citizen who will foot the bill for everyone else. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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| in the end the demonstrators got exactly what they wanted. More press coverage than the summit. The press should know better. |
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82289

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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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According to a RCMP friend of mine, the Black Bloc is being investigated to see if they fight the critera of a terrorist organization...The rules of the game have just changed as the gloves are off. I'd hate to be one of those who was caught changing or braking shit without a face mask. Life just got very difficult if they are listed as a home based terror organization...They'd be in the same running as a the FLQ if they are...  |
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Whitey

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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| If only it were so, Rich. The leftards have created such a strong "hug-a-thug" mentality and neutered the police to such an extent that I have very little confidence that anyone will ever be charged let alone convicted. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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I was surprised to hear that there are still members of the BB sitting in the Toronto lock ups. Seems assualting a police officer when you have a long record of missed court dates will cost you.  |
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Whitey

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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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Just until the courts get ahold of them then they'll be set free. (Geez I'm a pessimist, eh?)
This is something I wouldn't mind being wrong about... |
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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I thought the same thing Marty but I'm thinking that with all the stink that the courts just might make an example of these turds. The issue with investigations and inquiries being cried for is by the same groups o people that caused the damage in the first place. Over all, far more people are pissed off about the reckless nature of these people that are in the holding cells now and people want heads on a platter. The courts are in a real shitty spot. They don't want to be seen as weak or the backlash will be far worse then they need with an election just aroudn the corner this fall! This could work in our favour either way actually.  |
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Whitey

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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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Fist of all, Marty is away older and uglier than I am!
I hope you're reading this right Rich but even now the furor is fading and the masses of sheeple have moved onto the next issue. |
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Marty

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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Spectators in Body Armour |
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How did I get dragged into this crap?
But seeing as I am here, if they would have machine gunned the whole damn lot in three thousand years no one would give a shit anyway. Historians would just call it the process of evolution.
Fist of all, Marty is away older and uglier than I am!
"FIST OF ALL ??? ---- OK Ian, you got me on the old --- but I am running a tight second to you on the other part.
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